yer i see your point....and I'm beginning to see that all MCN are interested in is money and ways of gathering funds for their pot.. trouble with me is that i only started using computers back in 01 and stumbled on to MCN in 02.. yes it was fast.. to fast for me, so i did not get involved in the split between the old MCN'ers who moved over to nodding dogs.. (not going to open old wound's there) thats there beef.. bugger sorry for that.. as you can see I'm so pissed off at MCN... you may be right, it's prolly time for a move ?